Let’s Move to Canada, eh?

[Dmunnee]

This thread is for discussion of Let’s Move to Canada, eh? (http://www.stoxpoker.com/node/952).

[Piranha]

Well put.

[Toss]

I'm getting a bit worried. I went through some threads at 2+2, but it's unclear what's going to happen. Should I continue keeping my money online or should I cashout everything like a madman?

[Piranha]

I wouldn't worry especially since you really can't do anything about it. And I would not take your money out of any of the sites. If the sites were to be shut down, then I would suggest that but I can't forsee that happening in any way.

Also, I don't see how the US can stop an intermediary like Neteller (I think Neteller is based out of Canada?) or Firepay that is based outside of the country. Many of these places conduct perfectly legitamite online transactions for Americans. So, how can the US differentiate between a gaming deposit or withdrawal made to one of these intermediaries versus some other type of deposit or withdrawal? They can ask the intermediary to differentiate especially in the case of withdrawals because they know where the money's coming from but what if the intermediary doesn't want to do that. And I'm sure most won't since they value our business. The US has no authority over them.

The whole ISP issue is a little bit unclearer to me. Still, they'll always be ways to circumvent the system no matter what they do. There's way too much money at stake for these foreign sites. They'll do everything possible to make it as easy as possible for us to get to their sites.

[Dmunnee]

Piranha,

well put :)

To add to your statement, I don't see how companies like comcast could ever comply with shutting down IP addresses that try to log into poker sites. What if a European visits the US and tries to log on? It's legal for him to play. I just don't see how the gov't could ever expect to stop us from actually playing. Even better, the great republicans of our country are I'm sure happy that this bill passed, but are now going to have to shell out quite a few unemployment checks to young kids who will undoubtedly rape the unemployment office for everything they're worth.

[Dmunnee]

just got IMed this from a pro friend of mine.

"CAPITOL HILL -- Congressional Republicans have pushed through legislation cracking down on Internet gambling.

It prohibits gamblers from using credit cards, checks and electronic fund transfers to settle online wagers. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist said the bill addresses what he calls a "shadow industry" that is simply illegal."

So, how does this affect us in any way, shape or form? Doesn't say we can't play, doesn't say we can't use neteller. Doesn't sound like it changes a single thing.

[thetruest]

just got IMed this from a pro friend of mine.

"CAPITOL HILL -- Congressional Republicans have pushed through legislation cracking down on Internet gambling.

It prohibits gamblers from using credit cards, checks and electronic fund transfers to settle online wagers. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist said the bill addresses what he calls a "shadow industry" that is simply illegal."

So, how does this affect us in any way, shape or form? Doesn't say we can't play, doesn't say we can't use neteller. Doesn't sound like it changes a single thing.


Supposedly EFT or money transactions meant for "illegal online gambling" can no longer be legally processed-- as in Neteller can no longer accept money transfers (deposits) to poker sites and other igaming sites. Hence if this is enforced there will be no money coming into the poker world. Kind of like a cut off the air supply thing.

It's all unclear exactly how this is supposed to be enforced, though, if it's even whats supposed to be enforced. But from what I've gathered from people who supposedly have experience in reading the languages of these things @ 2+2 (Berge, Mr. K, politics/legislation boards) and others who have read the bill, the responsibility clearly rests on financial institutions and cardrooms to remain legal. The cardrooms won't care obviously, but the main concern is how it impacts the ability to deposit (along w/ the fact that the fish will have less ways and more obstacles to deposit). But apparently accepting deposits are illegal.

There's alot of things up in the air still from what i gather, specifically how it will all play out and be enforced, but believe it or not, this is a clear lost at least in the short term for the industry. If depositing is illegal, what now? The ones who deposit the most, are obviously the "fish". In fact, they drive the industry. However, if the Democrats take back a fucking branch of government (pray to God), I doubt the bill will actually be enforced and it will most likely be a low priority, if at all. I'm certain there will be some challenges to it, in fact.


It's true it will be challenging for anyone to "stop" online poker, but you need to wake up if you think it isn't in danger after this. Read the 2+2 legislation and politics boards from those who are informed, read the bill. This IS actually a serious threat-- ESPECIALLY if the republicans maintain control of both the House and the Senate, and can continue to pander for votes/brownies/whatever to the religious fanatics who backed this thing like a crusade. So that is what this is, a wake up call. Time to get political.

And the fact of the matter is, this country can't withstand going anymore years of having the same (ridiculous) party MONOPOLIZING EVERY SINGLE branch of government (one could even argue they control the supreme court) before it is no longer the same country anymore. Looking back it's just amazing how much damage can be done-- in only 6 years.

GET TO THE VOTING BOOTHS IN NOVEMBER, PLEASE.

[thetruest]

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hmm

[dixon]

I have little doubt that I'll be able to continue playing, just a question of if I want to jump through the hoops and if it will be worth it. I mostly worry that casual player will not be able or willing to circumvent the rules. Maybe with worldwide markets opening up, there will be a ready supply of fish, but I worry. Games have been getting more and more difficult over the past year and losing weathy US donators isn't going to help.

What really gets me is how little the on line sites did to stop this. They've made hundreds of millions and yet as far as I've observed they've invested little in stopping this.